Episode notes
Autistici/Inventati, the Italian volunteer privacy host since 2001, said on 6 September it is shutting down all services, eleven days after the U.S. listed it as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist. Italy has not convicted it. Public Interest Registry put autistici.org on hold, PayPal seized funds, and the group folded before the 25 September wind-down license expired. Also: Nitter and XCancel are back after an X cease-and-desist, with no withdrawn letter and the unofficial API still the product; OpenAI chief scientist Jakub Pachocki says no lab can keep scaling at full speed, three days after Astra shipped; and Liquid paused after about 4,000 bitcoin left the federation wallet through an approval path it says was not a stolen key. The side of tech news nobody talks about.
Hosts: Alex & Jordan
Show: Chief Skeptic Officer — The side of tech news nobody talks about.
Drop: Daily at 7:00 A.M. America/New_York
Episode date: 2026-09-07
In this episode
List first, court later — Autistici/Inventati said on 6 Sept it will discontinue all services. The U.S. listed it on 26 Aug. PIR put autistici.org on hold. EDRi reports 16,000 mailboxes. A wind-down license ran to 25 Sept. They shut early.
Product back, letter still there — Nitter's README still shows X's 24 Aug permanent-takedown demand, then one sentence that legal advice says the project will continue. XCancel is live and still uses Twitter's unofficial API. No court win.
Brakes after the launch — Jakub Pachocki's 6 Sept essay says no lab has solved alignment and monitoring enough to keep scaling at full speed. OpenAI shipped GPT-6 Astra on 4 Sept. Recursive self-improvement is still how he says you stay at the frontier.
Safe key, empty bridge — Liquid said purported white-hats withdrew about 4,000 BTC (~$320 million) via SideSwap's PAK and that the key was not compromised. The sidechain paused. A chain note is not a refund.
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This episode was created with artificial intelligence. Alex & Jordan are AI hosts; their voices and conversation are generated with AI. Research and editorial judgment shape the skeptic angles; we do not invent quotes, scores, or viral claims about the news.
Transcript
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0:00
Alex
A 25-year-old Italian privacy host is shutting down all its email and sites, eleven days after the United States put it on a terrorism list.
0:09
Jordan
Nitter and XCancel are back after X sent a cease-and-desist letter. The Nitter maintainer says legal advice says the project can continue.
0:18
Alex
OpenAI's chief scientist says no lab can safely keep scaling at full speed for much longer, three days after OpenAI shipped Astra, its newest public model.
0:28
Jordan
About four thousand bitcoin left Liquid's shared wallet, and the network paused the path that moves bitcoin in and out.
0:37
Jordan
That's the board. Stay for the audit. We open those up. Today's Chief Skeptic Officer.
0:53
Jordan
What if there was an AI that researched the tech news, checked the sources, and asked what the tech news is not telling you?
1:00
Alex
That's us. I'm Alex.
1:02
Jordan
And I'm Jordan.
1:04
Alex
You're listening to Chief Skeptic Officer. The side of tech news nobody talks about.
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Jordan
Every day at seven A.M. New York time. Wherever you get your podcasts.
1:13
Alex
Story one. A/I means Autistici slash Inventati. Since 2001, the Italian volunteer group has hosted private email, websites, mailing lists, and blogs.
1:25
Jordan
Not an AI lab. On September sixth, it said every service will close. It gave no final date and promised backup instructions.
1:34
Alex
So users need to save what they can. The domain may vanish again.
1:39
Alex
This page from European Digital Rights, or EDRi, shows the legal trigger. The United States put A/I on its terrorist sanctions list on August twenty-sixth.
1:50
Jordan
The U.S. made serious claims. But we do not have an Italian conviction.
1:55
Alex
Two days later, Public Interest Registry, the U.S. group that runs dot-org, put autistici.org on a server hold. The name stopped resolving.
2:04
Jordan
No Italian court ordered that. A registry switch in the U.S. made the address disappear.
2:10
Alex
A/I says PayPal seized its funds. EDRi says its bank also faced secondary sanctions, meaning it could be punished for continuing to serve the group.
2:20
Jordan
EDRi reports that a lot of people used it: sixteen thousand mailboxes, plus thousands of sites, lists, and blogs.
2:28
Alex
That reach is why the easy version bothers me.
2:32
Jordan
Which version?
2:34
Alex
That a brave privacy host was simply crushed. The Treasury made serious claims. We should not erase them.
2:42
Jordan
But a claim on a U.S. list is still not an Italian conviction.
2:47
Alex
Exactly.
2:49
Jordan
The Hacker News thread splits there. Some say the cutoffs became the punishment. Others say A/I was not just a neutral mailbox.
2:58
Alex
And on August twenty-eighth, A/I said it would not back down.
3:02
Jordan
Eleven days after the listing, it did.
3:06
Alex
A U.S. designation, a missing domain, and frozen payment routes made the host risky to everyone around it before a court ever sat.
3:16
Jordan
U.S. rules gave companies until September twenty-fifth to wind down. A/I still shut early.
3:23
Alex
At work, I am changing our logging system. If a vendor became a legal risk for every bank and registry around it, I would expect it to leave early, whatever the paperwork said.
3:34
Jordan
Because permission to wind down is not a path to stay alive.
3:39
Alex
Yes. And the part I cannot finish is, if a list can do all this before trial, then the appeal comes after the...
3:47
Jordan
After the service is gone.
3:49
Alex
The court never had to close the server. Everyone between the server and its users did.
3:57
Jordan
Nitter is back. More carefully, its maintainer says the project will continue. Nitter is free software that shows public X posts without making you use X's normal site.
4:08
Alex
The highlighted note on this GitHub page still shows both halves. On August twenty-fourth, X demanded that the code and the sites using it come down for good.
4:18
Jordan
Then the update: "Following legal advice, the Nitter project will continue. More details will be announced soon."
4:25
Alex
That is all the public legal explanation.
4:29
Jordan
Wait. No withdrawn letter?
4:32
Alex
None we have.
4:34
Jordan
No judgment?
4:36
Alex
No court win.
4:39
Jordan
XCancel is also live again. Its dark About page says a separate operator runs it with Nitter's code. It still says it uses Twitter's unofficial API.
4:49
Alex
Meaning it talks to X's systems in a way X did not sell as a public product. X called that scraping and API circumvention.
4:58
Jordan
So they went dark after one legal letter, then came back after one sentence about legal advice.
5:05
Alex
Do you read that as weakness, or sensible caution?
5:10
Jordan
Sensible caution. Small projects do not owe us a public legal memo while a company is threatening them.
5:17
Alex
Agreed. But users should not turn caution into a victory that did not happen.
5:23
Jordan
Yes. The product is back. The dispute is not settled.
5:28
Alex
HN is mostly glad to see the readers return. The useful question is simpler: what did the legal advice actually change?
5:36
Jordan
And there are few details to answer them.
5:40
Alex
On August twenty-sixth, we watched that letter knock out a public way to read X. Now the same project says it can continue.
5:48
Jordan
I want to call that a reversal, but...
5:51
Alex
It is a service reversal. Not a legal reversal.
5:56
Jordan
Right. I was giving the comeback more certainty than the README gives it.
6:01
Alex
X has not said the demand is gone. Nitter has not said its access method changed. XCancel's own page says that access is still the product.
6:10
Jordan
Then the fragile part is not only code. It is whether a volunteer can afford enough legal advice to keep the code online.
6:19
Alex
"More details soon" is not a shield. It is a status light.
6:24
Jordan
Good news, with the warning still attached. Nitter lives. The letter does too.
6:31
Alex
OpenAI chief scientist Jakub Pachocki published an essay called "An Alien Mind" on September sixth. He says no lab has solved how to keep powerful AI doing what people intend.
6:43
Jordan
In his words, no lab can "continue responsibly scaling at maximum speed for much longer." He expects, and hopes for, voluntary slowdowns.
6:54
Alex
Three days earlier, on September fourth, OpenAI shipped GPT-6 Astra, its newest public model.
7:01
Jordan
There it is.
7:03
Alex
What?
7:05
Jordan
The warning and the product came from the same building.
7:09
Alex
That does not make the warning false. A chief scientist saying this in public matters.
7:15
Jordan
I agree. I am asking what the company gave up.
7:19
Alex
So far, not Astra.
7:22
Jordan
The HN comments keep circling one contradiction in Pachocki's essay.
7:28
Alex
The essay says recursive self-improvement is the only way to stay at the frontier. In plain English, OpenAI wants AI to help build better AI because Pachocki says that is how the lab keeps up.
7:39
Jordan
The same essay says it is getting harder to inspect the model's written reasoning.
7:45
Alex
Another OpenAI post says its monitor did not find scheming, meaning agents secretly working around their instructions.
7:54
Jordan
That means the monitor did not see it. It does not prove it never happened.
7:59
Alex
I was going to call that wordplay.
8:02
Jordan
It is the lab's own limit. If your view into the reasoning is fading, "we saw nothing" has less force.
8:10
Alex
No, you are right. That changes how I hear the safety result.
8:15
Jordan
Every week I get a pitch to put an agent on student work. The selling point is that another system can review what the agent is thinking. The lab's chief scientist says that view is fading. I would not make that the review.
8:28
Alex
Pachocki does say OpenAI may hold back more growth if needed.
8:33
Jordan
He does. But he hopes labs will slow down together, and asks governments to make international coordination a priority.
8:41
Alex
Because slowing alone costs position in the race.
8:46
Jordan
So the hard part is not writing the brake pedal into an essay. It is pressing it before the other labs agree to press theirs.
8:54
Alex
The essay says full speed is unsafe, then says staying near the front still matters.
9:01
Jordan
The thought breaks right there. They want to slow down, but only if...
9:07
Alex
If slowing down does not mean falling behind.
9:11
Jordan
Voluntary restraint is easiest to praise before it costs a product launch.
9:19
Jordan
Picture Liquid as a parking lot for bitcoin. People park bitcoin with a group of operators. In return, they use a linked token called L-BTC on Liquid.
9:29
Alex
On September sixth, Liquid said supposed white-hat hackers withdrew about four thousand bitcoin from that parking lot. At the time, that was about three hundred twenty million dollars.
9:41
Jordan
The operators paused the path that moves bitcoin in and out.
9:45
Alex
Liquid says the money went out through SideSwap's PAK, the approval key for sending bitcoin back out. It also says that key was not compromised.
9:55
Jordan
Wait.
9:56
Jordan
The approval worked, but they say the key was not stolen?
10:02
Alex
That is their statement.
10:04
Jordan
Then "not compromised" does not mean "did not approve the withdrawal."
10:10
Alex
Correct. Liquid says the key stayed under the expected control. We still do not know why the payout was allowed.
10:17
Jordan
The post calls the hackers white hats. The message left on the Bitcoin chain says, "we are whitehats. contact us on chain."
10:25
Alex
A note is not a refund.
10:29
Jordan
No. The parking lot paused after about four thousand bitcoin left.
10:35
Alex
The path back to bitcoin was stopped.
10:38
Jordan
HN is guessing about software bugs. Liquid has not confirmed a cause.
10:44
Alex
Good. A live incident can turn into a confident story before the operator knows what happened.
10:50
Jordan
So we have four thousand bitcoin out, a bridge paused, and a message saying the people holding the money are the good guys.
10:58
Alex
The sentence I keep trying to complete is, if the payout path accepted it without a stolen key, then the control protected...
11:06
Jordan
The key, not the decision.
11:09
Alex
Exactly. That is the buried failure.
11:13
Jordan
Would you reopen the network because the chain note says white hat?
11:20
Alex
No. "White hat" is a claim about intent. The wallet balance is the evidence.
11:25
Jordan
And until the bitcoin comes back, the system is paused around a promise from whoever took it.
11:32
Alex
Liquid may recover the funds and explain the path. Today, the authorization worked, the money moved, and the key is still said to be safe.
11:42
Jordan
Safe key. Empty side of the bridge.
11:45
Alex
That's our audit for today. Find us wherever you get your podcasts. Chief Skeptic Officer, every day at seven A.M. New York time.
11:52
Jordan
Tell us what you're skeptical about. Drop it in the comments. The angle you can't stop chewing on.
11:58
Alex
Stay curious. Stay skeptical.
12:02
Jordan
Doubt both.
